Here are my thoughts. I started with P2 and I have P5. Does it have issues? Sure it does, but how many programs realeased today don't? It's whether or not CL is willing to work with it and the community to make it better. It's still one of the lowest cost 3D apps on the market. That's my main reason for getting it. It has come a very long way and I think it still has miles to go. Would I like to see it stay around? Yes, I would. I would like to see it continue to grow and evolve. But in doing that, could the price go up on it, which would mean that it's no longer a low cost solution? That would need to be balanced. Sometimes I can get the Firefly render to work well for me and sometimes I can't. That can be very frustrating. As far as DAZ|Studio goes, if them taking more time to do it means that it will peform well on release, I'd rather wait. I'll definitely check out the Beta, just to see what they are doing. As for jumping ship on Poser, that would depend on many variables and it would not be immediate. As for product loyalty, here's my two cents. I had Bryce 3 and went all the way to Bryce 5. They still don't handle the import of Poser figures well and since I was looking for a low cost solution for creating worlds for my Poser figures, I was very frustrated. I had a friend who uses it all the time and he's great with it. But when I saw that Vue d'Esprit could handle the import of Poser figures (transparency maps and all) I decided to check it out. Well, gotta tell you, I've dumped Bryce and I'm not looking back. Vue does what I need it to do for my Poser figures, it's much easier to learn IMHO and I like the way it renders. If DAZ|Studio does nothing else, it should stimulate the market for more competition for low cost 3D solutions. I never use the stock poser figures because they are just not as nice as the DAZ figures and there is more available for the DAZ figures. I think that CL should have worked with DAZ as well in devloping Poser 5. If possible, making Vick1 and Mike1 the stock figures and building from there. I still have a lot to learn about Poser 5 so, it's not going anywhere anytime soon, for me.