Yes, but see part of that IS the problem (the deaf ears (and no, I am not picking on you becuse you made that statement))... You guys (Rendo users) keep, week in and week out, posting your Daz-related/creditcard/"site not working" complaints to THIS forum. Last time I checked, this is not Daz. They are not required to look here, but do so out of customer friendliness. Here is a really big hint... Hold on... You ready?!?! Why don't you try... calling or emailing DAZ when you have a problem?!?!?! WOW!!!! That is Pulitzer Prize winning material there. - Ray