I'm still working on them Laurie, sounds a bit perverted, I'm almost finished, the hardest part are the sides, they stick out past the rib cage so much, I've had to redo them about 20 times. Then I'll have to figure out how to use MT Mirror for the other side. In the mean time, My first attempt was with Magnets. If you want those setting I can post them for you. You saw the image in the other thread. Tashar 59