If you render at a low setting, then yes - it's grainy. If you are using volumetrics or fog or haze, my recommendation would be to bump the quality as high as it goes on those items as it's been my experience that those are what cause most of the grain (when the quality is set too low, even default). It's also been my experience that turning the softness of your light up to 5.00 or 6.00, especially sunlight, will greatly reduce graininess in shadows. No matter what you do to avoid graniness, your render time will increase with each of the things I suggested above, but Bryce suffers from the same slowness. They are both raytracers and there is just no getting around long render times. Aside from all that, Vue 4 and Poser 4 work perfectly together, and e-on is even promising compatibility with Poser 5 in the very near future. I've been a fan of Vue for many years now and have used it as my only landscape renderer, even tho I have Bryce as well. But Bryce just doesn't do it for me like it does for some. I just never got the texture editor or the interface. However, I've seen some absolutely fabulous things done with Bryce :o). Hope that answers at least some of your concerns :o). Laurie