I am going to try and answer this point by point, so you'll see why I am torqued off, one last time. "If you want to help define the rules of this site, We welcome that." That's what I was trying to do and got told to in effect sod off and mind my own business. This is not the first time either I may add. Since I started keeping a lower profile on all these sites, you may not remember me, but I have been here, under this user name since it was the Poser Forum. As for helping define the rules of this site, as a member, every time I have tried that I have got a variation of the sod off line, or treated, like a dog, and got a pat on the head and a bone, but no action on the issue, or no one listened. "If you feel that images are being pulled and should not be or for the wrong reasons, please tell your side of the story" Uhhh, that's what I was trying to do when the thread got locked. All I was getting, was non-answers and a veiled insult from the mod who did the deletion. "As far as gilo25's image being pulled, that matter is closed." The point has been, not the fact the image was pulled, which doubtless was done with the best of intent. The problem seems to have been the lack of a clear concise explanation as to WHY the picture was pulled. 4 different mods answered that thread, as to why the picture was pulled, and all 4 had a different reason. Also by one mods own words, the criterion for pulling the picture, was to paraphrase, "Is the picture suitable for a family oriented site." Now truth be told, nowhere in the TOS do I see anything about "Please restrict your artwork to things suitable to a family site." This leads those of us who asked for clarification to believe this was an arbritary decision, and not a consistent application of the rules. In effect the question became, was the picture pulled after an objectively as possible, comparison to the TOS, or more subjectively to another guideline. To give credit, one Mod did suggest the girl in question had one hand on her nipple or breast area in a suggestive way. That can be construed, even if a bit of a reach as a TOS violation, but that seemed to be an after thought side argument to the unsuitable for family argument. Obviously the IM sent to the artist was a little fuzzy as to the reason to the pulling, since the artists first posts were to the reasons why. Improvement needs to be done there in future cases. Hence the hammering away at the Mods involved for their reticience to answer questions. "I locked that other thread because members were getting to the point where they were just slamming eachother. We will not allow member to break our rules to make there points. that will only leed to warnings." I think you may want to reread that thread, the members were being very polite and controlled, it was the staff, namely a Mod doing the slamming. Of course that precedent, and double standard has been in effect here for a long time. "We welcome the members to get involved in how we deal with the removal of images." Then a Mod telling us in more subtle language of course, that we weren't involved, couldn't know what was happening, we were just trying to stir up trouble, and to butt out was all a mistake? Locking the thread where we trying to get involved, and help, doesn't lead me to believe that statement either. "Most all the rules of this site were made by members getting involved." Like the closing of the Complaint and Debate Forum? 'Nuff said. "Trust me, If you put a good plan on the table, we will review it." Possibly, in the past, and again in this situation, it doesn't seem so, but I'll grant this one, it could happen. Might be as likely as an drunk leaving a bar before closing time, but I'll take your word for it. "As far as you spending money in the marketplace, well, that's up to you..." You're quite right, that is up to me, and since it seems to be my only form of protest or to effect positive change, I will either purchase elsewhere, or do without, and be a bandwidth leech, until I see positive moves I can live with.