Dear 3ncryptabl3, or may I call you Crypt for short, Firstly I read the dammed manual, I dont have a degree however and I have found from past experience that "hands on" is the best way for me to learn, Simderella, showing me what to do was just what I needed. It is not a mistake I will make again. However "reading between the lines" of your reply do I detect a hint of irony, or sarcasm, a suggestion perhaps that I did not obtain my copy of poser through legal routes?? I do hope that it is not the case! My dog BTW is a 57KG German Shepherd who, whilst not eating books, manuals, or anything he shouldn't, would be glad to have a bite of you if you are critising me without knowing me.