'The term "vaporware" comes to mind' The phrase above from milamber is an example of the kind of loose talk that gets this community a bad name. I don't want to be rude, but you might want to think twice before making an obviously inaccurate and misleading statement. We've seen screenshots of the app. We know DAZ is a reputable company. And we know they have nothing to gain by promising something that doesn't exist. So the above comment either came out of sheer ignorance or sheer stupidity. I hope it was the former. I agree they're being 'tight-lipped' about it. So what? It's their app. They know best when it'll be ready. There's been the same impatience shown with every major new release from DAZ. The minute vicki 3 was available people were shouting loudly for Mike 3. 'you're damned if you do release, its bugware, damned if you don't release, its vaporware' Damn right! mac