"As is the case here when, people who have no clue, get involved, twist things around, make issues bigger than they need to be, blah blah blah.....whatever. I'm done with it." In the literal sense, no I wasn't told to sod off however, upon reading the above quote, which is directly copied from Michelle A's post, it is a natural conclusion on my part as to the intent of the statement, and certainly got that feeling. If it is a misunderstanding fine, no problems on this end over it anyway. I get told worse on a regular basis:} However the attitude certainly belies the members helping with the rules statement. The two are related, getting told you don't have a clue, certainly doesn't make a person think anyone in authority is listening. This next section is a direct quote from kbennet, post #34 in the other thread. "The facts are simple. I'll go slowly. 1. There were complaints about your image. 2. As a result, it was brought, by a moderator, to the moderator team for review. 3. The criterion for review was "is this image suitable for a site which aims to be family friendly?" 4. Each moderator considered the image and placed a vote. 5. The result of the vote was that the image was not suitable. 6. Your image was removed." Note point #3, it bears repeating "3. The criterion for review was "is this image suitable for a site which aims to be family friendly?"" Again, please judge pictures against the TOS, and remove all violations accordingly. I firmly agree with that, but I would like to know where in the TOS or any printed list of rules this criterion is? I truly want and need to clarify my position on this point, it is the big sticking point for me, I as an artist, or reasonable facsimile there of, reads the TOS, and any other printed material pertaining to posting guidlines, posts a work, and then gets it pulled based on something that ISN'T in any of that, but another more nebulous standard, that I as the poster CANNOT have any idea as to it's presence or definition. Now do you see where the confusion and potential hard feelings come in to play? I am not saying the result in this instance would have changed the end decision at all. I am definetly not saying the end decision was wrong. All I am saying, is, if that is the criterion of judgement, then that criterion needs to be posted somewhere, so the artists know it exists, and can tailor their posts accordingly. As for the transparancy issue, certainly I agree with not going about announcing so and so had a picture pulled, but when the poster who has had a work pulled, comes into the correct forum, the forum specifically for contacting the Admins, and asks for a clarification, I think that clarification needs to be given. Obviously if that clarification of the reason for removal isn't rock solid. it's going to get some flack. Sometimes it may get flack even if it is rock solid. But as a poster here I do feel I should have the right to know and understand the process my posts are judged by. Since the only way to see the process is to either knowingly violate the rules, or question them in a thread, clear concise answers are appreciated when given.