a child under 18 is not liable for debts incurred. so, any fool that gives him/her a credit card is doing so at their own risk. jack d. kamerar did not set up renderotica as a "bridge" between what is acceptable at renderosity and "adult" art. he was pissed and set off to make his own reality. i was here for years before this was a "family" site. it used to be an "artist" site. spike...you turn me on, so, when you utter the lil phrase "porn like"....yoowza, yoowza, yoowsz.....can you whisper it? but, sadly, you seem even more excited when you proudly announce such phrases as....sing it to me honey, with feeling....PAYPAL....and MONEY ORDER. not all transparencies are in maps for renders. sigh. artists we all are, right? unnnn hunnnnhhhhh... spike..you were decent at modelling, more than decent. i am shocked at this turn.