No, I agree with you, dirk. On a P4 2.54GHz w/1GB memory, in order to get a "full" head of hair, slows down the render so much as to be untenable - what you need for it to be useful is an 3.06GHz MP (4 cpus) Xeon system with 2GB memory: that might help. For Poser anyway, transmapped hair has too many advantages still - full, transparency for feathering/edges, manageable, low render impact. BYS