so it can be done that way lynn?I had done that but than when I try setting the joint parameters it seemed impossible to imitate the behaviour of an already made poser figure,I suppose its just about trial and error.Plus do the spwaned props need to have textures applied to them before they are parented to one another, I have a model already assembled in your suggested way but I can't apply textures to it now. I am weary of using another program ontop of all this(VPC)I wish I could do all of this in just one.(AM2000?Hmmmmm?)