This one is still driving me crazy. I think I'll have to start researching JCJ. I've got the skirt as a single hip, with bones for buttocks, thighs, and shins. I can get partial poses to work (twist on the buttock and thigh), but of I move the feet the same way did in the example, it still doesn't flow with the body. I also tried adding a "midsection" the way the gown for Konish does. That gives me a good twist and bend on the skirt, but still doesn't fix the problem. Part of it may be that Ichiro isn't built the same as what I'm used to (Mike). His buttocks reach almost to his knees, then you've got a short thigh section, then the shins. Interesting problem. Now to start searching for JCJ tutorials. Thanks for the attempts, guys. I'm real happy with the way I got the object to look with the gown flow, and I really don't want to scrap it.