smiller1, stewer please note I said 'this is real fuel for the 'CL lied' arguement about poser 5's problems..' meaning that there will be ppl that will use this. to my mind this explains why Firefly is slow. the system has been ported from the Mac to the PC (Pixels3d is Mac only), not written for the PC specifically. hence instead of running native code, we're running ported/translated code. hence unstable and slow.