hmm so closeup renders of a vagina model thats higher resolution than vicky herself with 'penis inserted' morphs is not pornographic in nature? what does it classify as then? medical art? as for foul language.. my god, i used four letter words twice, once to emphasize what a personal attack would be. its funny how someone can argue that close-up vaginal renders be allowed in the marketplace promos, yet at the same time be offended by the word 'fuck'. kindof ironic, dont you think? and this thread isnt wholly about 'protecting children'.. i just made the point that if i had a kid, id have no problem with him/her seeing promos of the latest vicky 3 texture, but i wouldnt want them seeing the image that started this thread. its about whats appropriate and whats not. "To have a "tantrum" about it being "pornographic" because you had 2 banner ads pulled is a bit "over the top"" this isnt about the banner ads, and the fact that you are accusing me of having a 'tantrum' over that is offensive. i already apologised to clint for using that as an example, it was a bad one. its all water under the bridge. this whole thread started when i got back home from driving for 2 days straight, sat down and had a look at the 'whats hot' section of the marketplace. im sitting here eating a bowl of noodles, clicking through the marketplace, and clicked on the promo for the product and was pretty shocked at it, and i dont think it belongs here (apparently neither do a lot of others). and yeah, i wanted to start a debate on it - because i think this is VERY relevant to rosity. i dont care about the pointless nudity in the galleries - im guilty of it myself on several occasions (although im trying to cut down on the nudity in my gallery for unrelated reasons)... this isnt about 'nudity' and im getting weary of some people trying to derail the issue at hand and try to turn it into a nudity/no nudity discussion. that debate will forever rage on unresolved at rosity, along with other seasonal debates like 'the hot20 is corrupt' and various other conspiracies. "It's also good to remember that this is a diverse site with a wide variety of outlooks and views...just because you label something pornographic doesn't make it so...and dismissing other points of view as irrational or valueless does little to foster compromise or agreement. " apparently its not just me.. and pardon me if i label 'nudity as natural' as an irrational excuse for over the top promo ads. yeah i may come off as blunt or rash at times but thats just the way i am, and im unlikely to change at this late stage. just the way i 'speak'.. some people take offense at things i say which intended no offense at all. im just a sarcastic bastard and sometimes people fail to see my twisted humor and take things the wrong way. again let me say that im not trying to insult anyone here, or accuse rosity, the merchant in question, or anyone in this thread. im just worried that certain precedents will open the door to a tide of smut at rosity and the site will go downhill from there (like others have in the past). i realise that since this has been dealt with by the admins, and very quickly at that, its kindof a non-issue.. but i still feel strongly about my views on what is pornographic and what is not, and im still waiting for someone to convince me that a money-shot has 'artistic value'. cheers, -gabriel "I find your frequent use of foul language extremely offensive Blackhearted. Maybe you should watch your mouth on the public forums." oh please. in the years ive been here, i can probably count on my hands how many times ive said fuck in these forums... oops