i don't really agree. if it's rendered in bryce, it's bryce, doesn't matter what it is. after all it takes a bit of knowledge (granted, little), to import a figure and mats over to bryce. it used to be that poser had a crappier rendering engine than bryce, and therefore a lot of 'artists' brought it over so they could get more realism or whatever. I think it's that also. Drac PS: I wasn't gonna say anything about this, but with the prick thing, I feel it necessary to do my duty: PARAGRAPHS, MAN, PARAGRAPHS!!!! :)