Oh we said the same Mac i was just long winded LOL...one other thing to note is if the cylinder ends are hidden you can get the rotation right down...the ones i've shown have only 12..reason being its the ends that give away the amount of polys...eg. the disc has 48 rotations yet you can still see some edging yet the cylinders only have 12 but look ok....hope that helps a bit more, oh and post a wire frame it'll help us spot the exact areas..Steve