Ornlu: although i don't mean to, but i felt insulted with your comment... im an avid poser user (and so is Rochr, beton, alvin, doublecrash, catlin, and others) who felt that a human touch can make a picture look better other than good. Now it doesnt mean that we are taking the easy way out which in fact we are... but we want to create images that makes up our imagination. True there are a lot of ways to use bryce but creating human figures with them is totally impossible... if yuo could create one ill proclaim you a bryce GOD and pay tribute to you (im not insulting, but merely exagerating). Poser provides an alternative to create images faster. If i were to use cinema 4d to create figures, well i could do it, but the time factr is so long i might as well use poser which is a 100x faster. Geez if i were to model one from scratch i would have... a: draw the figure front and sides b: use nurbs to create the polygons c: arrange the nurbs e: mirror f: create morph targets g: create bones h: create limits i: create textures j: create props (repeating steps a to i) k: pose well if you use this would happen... a: create figure b: pose c: place in props see the difference? now thats why we use poser.... im prety sure yuor pertaining to those who just play around with poser, but you see the whip lash also affects us... just be gentle. (i dont mean to argue just placing my point down) as for maddogs comment, well ian, bryce doesnt put limits, though sumtimes i dont like looking at it too, but the community here is by far the friendliest, thats why, better live with it! haha! and btw gud luck on the poser work, it not that hard once you get the hang of it, just dont do the morphs... it hurts!