thanx.. looking at it closer, im sorry is so small, the face is tilted sideways, and the hair didnt move with it. i dont remember touching it, except for enlarging it to fit te scene,a nd rotating gthe entire object togeher. but maybe by accident i moved a single peice. i can try it again, i lost the pz3 file, but stil have the object file and bryce file so we'll see what hapens. again..thanx...