"It is interesting that DAZ felt male genitals were OK but the female equivalent is off limits. It is interesting that in a world where women make up the majority of the population, men still have this strange nned to control, cover up, characterize and prohibit women's bodies." pretty tired of this argument too. michael NEEDS basic mesh genitals - because if he lacked a penis he would look inhuman. he doesnt have any erection morphs, a morphing anus (shudder), scrotal morphs, etc. the victoria models always had genital morphs - a morph that gives her genital area enough detail that, textured, she will look natural and realistic in a render. she does not need a morphing orifice. so no, the argument that 'if michael has a penis why cant vicky have a vagina' doesnt apply at all here. mike has a basic penis because the penis is an external sexual organ and a lack of it would make him look unnatural and inhuman. victoria has enough of a genital morph to accurately portray female genitalia in artistic renders. how many artistic nudes have you seen which require a gaping orifice? now before people start twisting what i said - let me reiterate that im not arguing against selling something like this at rosity or the specific product that started this thread, only the way it was presented. and please spare me the 'if michael has a penis vicky should have a vagina' argument, because its been addresses hundreds of times before here, and by Daz themselves, and is a pretty weak argument.