And let's remember also, it's not like we are talking about a photograph! why not? how different is it really? Even if that WAS considered art, cuz yes im implying that it isnt, its still not something that is labelled by the general majority of the world's population (not just us here at rosity) as acceptable. if it were so acceptable, and there wassnt anything wrong with showing it, then we'd be seeing spread twats all over the place. I dont recall seeing any accomplished artist displaying such. and yes as a personal opinion i find NOTHING artistic or innocent about it. just because you label something pornographic doesn't make it so... Its not him labelling this pornographic, its the fact that if you showed any one of those images to the average person THEY would as well. We all know what the majority of the world thinks about pictures of genetalia, whether you agree with it or not, this is still something thats not acceptable in any country ive seen. and i dont think it belongs here (apparently neither do a lot of others). i have to agree with that. especially after one reads the TOS in the galleries. Cuz yeah, as a personal opinion, which im entitled to w/o getting flamed, i dont think products like genital morphs belong at renderosity. i thought that was why we had rotica? #4. this is why, when a film has coarse language in it, its usually rated PG-13. if it has nudity, or suggestive/adult situations, its rated R. id like to think of renderosity as rated PG-13 with the nudity filter on, and R with it off... which is a happy medium. when a film has closeups of spread labia, its generally rated X or XXX. im hoping rosity doesnt go that route. this has been my point all along. exactly exactly exactly. Daz is SO PG-13, id even go so far as to say just PG. and they do just fine. I personally dont think rosity should ever be above an R rating. And again, whether you see this thing as acceptable to yourself or your family or not, the general public doesnt agree. you dont even see that in softcore porn. showing such pictures of genetalia, male or female, is hardcore. x rated. we all know a product like that wont sell if a potential buyer couldnt see how it actually looks right? well if a promo so unacceptable that the rosity admin would delete it, why should such an item be for sale here anyway? if its gonna sell, its gonna sell, no matter where you have it up. rotica has a store for these types of items, why do they need to be here, when you cant even show them in the promos, if you can sell them at a site that caters specifically to people who want to do that type of art? then no one is offended. no, i was making a point. you cant equate using the word fck to posting macro money-shots. you can turn on prime-time tv and hear the word fck a dozen times per show.. but you wont be seeing many zoom close-ups of spread labia now will you?. again my previous point. yeah cussing is somethign accepted by the general public, crotch shots are not and you all know it. whther you agree with it or not. "You don't seem to be particularly concerned about offending anyone else. " i constantly apologize in advance with the foreknowledge that people will take what i say the wrong way, and constantly attempt to explain and point out that im not attacking anyone in particular only the issue that i have strong feelings about. let me tell you guys something, i more than ANY of you know Gabe, his sarcasm, how he talks, and how incredibly easy it is to take things he says the wrong way. its taken me a while to get used to it and know better than to take things personally (lol and vice versa for me ;) And in every post hes ever made where he may have offended someone he IMMEDIATELY apologises even if its someone he may not even like. he doesnt want to be taken the wrong way any more than you guys do. his apologies before hand are just him explaining 'hey what im about to say you might take the wrong way, so please hear me out first cuz im not trying to attack anyone, just expressing an opinion'. so guys dont jump down his throat. he has a right to express an opinion, and didnt do anythign wrong in posting this thread. the point of this thread was NOT to chastise the creator or even to have it brought down, just to discuss the fact that it is up period. HA! that was probably my first and only post where i myself did not say fck once. ;)*