Electroglyph, without the person, we wouldn't have the grand scale of the machines - your point about awe and perspective is well taken. Maddog, I'm glad you feel more comfortable about Poser figures rendered in Bryce being posted in the Bryce gallery. One other point I'd like to make is that the lighting in Bryce is better than in Poser 4 (which is what I use). If I wanted a plain figure study (no background), I would much rather import it into Bryce in order to light it than try to light it in Poser. Poser, on the other hand, gives you tons of control over the figure and it's clothing so you can get really interesting figures if you experiment enough. Lin