Hi Keoto, What I was referring to was the overly strong facial characteristics of the Victoria model which some artists have express difficulty in disguising and hiding when they create a new character. I think this view was also express earlier in this thread and I think this is one of the reason which caused resistance to the use of the model. It was obviously alway her to a lot of comPosers and viewers. The custom clothes program would be cool:) regards, Tribe.