Jeezis. It was a joke. When someone did exactly the same thing in this forum with the tooltip over the Toonimal Puppy that read "Based on the V3 Mesh" no one busted a gut. I own V3 Male and the related products and am perfectly satisfied with it. Dan Farr's a neat guy as far as I can tell, but his features were a less than optimal choice for casting an average male. V3 looks a lot more like, well, people like me. Go visit my pathetic little website and look at the outdated tutorial on modeling from photos to see what I'm talking about; that balding geek is myself. Anton: I know absolutely zero about what's going on with M3. I didn't even know if DAZ was still pursuing the project considering the versatility of V3 Male (which IMHO is how DAZ should have done it from the start). Whatever politics are going on behind the scenes, I regret bruising your feelings and had no idea this was a sore spot. FWIW I thought Stephanie was and is an excellent model. The only bitch I ever pitched about Victoria 1 had to do with the incongruity of her features (cobbled from separate Victoria's Secret models), the planar columella, and having her eyes tilted by default. I stand by those criticisms and am satisfied with DAZ's subsequent improvements. The only complaint I currently have with V3 is that after DAZ released the animation-friendly Lo Res V/S/M models they didn't follow suit with V3. I stand by that complaint as well; lo-res stand-in characters are the preferred choice for animators and making V3 ideal only for renders fulfills the prophecy that we're only interested in nekkid Vicky renders. Petunia: I am a smart-ass. Supposedly no one likes one. American Heritage defines "crass" as "So crude and unrefined as to be lacking in discrimination and sensibility." Not the same thing, thank you for playing.