I'm not ragging on you, Ratteler, honest :) I was just making sure that nothing got out of hand. Just to be clear, I'm not an official spokesmonkey, and I'm not an official employee for DAZ in any capacity - besides, the PR stuff is Steve Kondris' forte', mostly because I really suck at being politically neutral. I just happen to live real close to Draper, UT, and I stop by from time to time to help out wherever I can. I will admit that as a result of being so damned nosey, I have to be careful about what I say and do. However, I've also gained an appreciation for what CL went through, and the folks in Draper have learned from those mistakes (in fairness to CL, these mistakes weren't nearly so obvious in foresight as they are now in hindsight.) But then, any business with a working set of neurons on the payroll learns from their peers - there's no sense in breaking your axles in the same pothole that another car just got done plowing into. lmckenzie - I don't blame you at all. There are programs out there (of any type) where the UI is nothing more than a kludge, and it shows. OTOH, I can say for certain that what I've seen so far in DAZ|Studio shows a very tight integration w/ the OS without resorting to a pure Win32 UI/API or a pure Cocoa (OSX) UI to do it. /P