Hi, bloodsong, Thanks, I hope to more, but I need to do a major tidy up of my stuff first. Files everywhere...:) Nance, The Hansom Cab will be available again, though it worked in P3 it seems to cause exceptions in the current p4 build, so I need to rework something? The original version had rotating wheels and opening doors, but I am wondering if it is worth the effort in making it poseable again, or if a static version would be just as good. I'll be interested to read your mail about geocities when it arrives here. Last time they claimed I was in violation of terms for remote loading (linking) .. which was true..:( cheers all Ian