i gave them a shot, dont think there gonna work either, thanks for the link to the maya site though. nice cap bonbohish, but a little too short ;) okie okie so im being picky hehe ;) Its for a morph set i built for v3 (thats why i said v2/v3) I use to have long hair and had a good model very close to it by Dark_Whisper, but got my hair cut the other day and am trying to make the model reflect the same changes. The morph set i created on my own (prior to v3 male morphs) it was going to be a market item (caleb68 pack) but I changed my mind and use it for my own renders (something unique). But the models sapose to be me (minus the unibrow) and thats why im being so picky ;)