I understand Ratteler's view. I don't have Poser 5 but I've heard many people say that bugs from P4 remain. Three years does seem like a long time, even for a small staff (depending on when they actually started). It's easy to blame the suits, and being a programmer, of course, I would blame them :-). Someone though, it seems, made the decision to go with a fair amount of legacy code - hopefully, they didn't commit the exact same bugs twice. Maybe it was the programmers that decided to reuse what was pretty much working rather than rewrite. Whatever the rhyme, reason or cause, clearly a lot of people are unhappy with the result. Certainly though people preferring an older version is not all that unheard of. Many times, companies add on a lot of extra functionality that seems to be just extra baggage baggage. How many people are probably still using Office 97 because the upgrade is'nt worth it to them. I know you're talking about bugs though. That happens too. There was a company called Ashton-Tate. They had a market dominating product, dBase III+ and at the time, no real competition from Microsoft. dBase IV was such a bug-ridden mess that people continued to use the old version. Borland brought out Paradox, Microsoft brought out Access and the rest (along with Ashton-Tate) is history. Peng, as long as we get things like wheel mouse support and right-click context menus that have become defacto standards in the Windows world, I'll be happy. I actually use a modeler, Art of Illusion, that's written in Java and runs on many platforms. It's reasonably speedy and the UI is OK but it has the few little, not the way everything else works, quirks that are a pain. I'm sure Mac users are equally desirious of havings work they way they are used to. It makes the difference between a good product and a great product, especially when you practically live in it the way many people seem to do with Poser. One reason that Microsoft can still sell Offic for Mac is that they have a dedicated staff of true Mac faithful who code it. I think the must keep them locked away in some undisclosed location. Of course, Microsoft has the money to afford that, DAZ doesn't.

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