theres a lot of subjectivity in anything like this thread. if you want to play games, you can get by with loopholes in the TOS (like i see many people doing with their banner ads). so, for example, while according to the 'no nudity' rule in banner ads my banner at the top of this thread may be pulled because it shows the silhouette of a buttock, someone could render a nude woman with sheer lace over her breasts and claim that it is not nude, since shes wearing clothing (even though the nipples show through, or the bra is the size of a postage stamp). in the end i trust the rosity mods and admins and their judgement on things like this - even though ive been on BOTH sides of the issue (requesting an image be considered for TOS violations, and also having my own image pulled for it). i can understand both sides, and while i trust the rosity admins and mods and their opinion, i still think that the rosity TOS/policies need a bit of tweaking so that there isnt such debate every time something like this pops up. "Taking something public that could have been dealt with privately is one (although the image didn't belong, should have been pulled and I understand the outrage)" yeah, i agree. again, my apologies to insomniaworks for not taking this up privately, posting this thread was a big mistake. not because i regret the discussion that ensued - i think its more or less constructive... but because his product happens to be in the middle of it. its hard to post a thread without citing SOME examples, however, and my images/ads have been used as examples by many and i never get offended by that and just join in the debate. if i thought for a second that this thread would hurt his sales i would not have posted it - and i dont think that it did. its just an example.. but yeah i realise after the way it went, and the tone i started it on, that it could have been done far more tactfully and if i ever post anything like this again ill keep that in mind. as for keeping things private - i usually try (you would not believe the amount of crap i get sucked into in IMs and emails).... ive tried resolving things on a merchant-to-merchant, and merchant-to-customer level before through polite IMs, and have had some pretty negative experiences and total inaction. the last one i recall was after one of my products had been on the market for months, and i had spent considerable effort promoting it, another merchant (the majority of whose products bear uncanny similarities to mine) was going to upload a similar product with the exact same name... i discreetly and politely asked that they use another name in light of this, and they blew me off completely with a nasty response. so sometimes the 'discreet approach' only backfires. cheers, -gabriel