Hehe, Yeah I've played with POVray, Yafray, 3Delight, Aqsis. They're all great renderers (Pixie is supposed to be good too!) but hand editing scene files is not my idea of fun! Poseray is supposed to make POVray a lot easier to use but it's not available for Mac as far as I know. I'm just praying that Daz Studio appears before I give up waiting and purchase something else! With 3 Delight as it's renderer it should be capable of superb quality, it's reputedly fast (as long as you're not raytracing) and Daz will ensure the interface is user friendly - Baz