Do I need a pie chart?? Hmmmm let's see.... ah no. But thanks for the offer there cowboy. smiles Most likely I will advance to Poser 5 just as I did with Poser 2-4. I wanted to hear other opinions about the program. I had more concerns over performance and that question has been answered. I feel my machine is more than capable to handle the program. Most of my renders consist of a single mil character and props ( chairs, tables, etc). I don't think I'll be doing heavy renders with the hair room and such. I must admit I like what I see in P5 and as with anything there are pros and cons. Again, I thank all of you for taking the time to reply to my post. It has cleared up a lot! ST2

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