Not to mention the people with positive comments that stopped posting how well Poser 5 works for them because they keep getting harranged... yes, IMHO the arguments really did get silly enough that people have jsut switched off responding to these threads, which have a tendency towards becoming less about constructively answering people's honest questions and more about scoring points against "the other side" :( We're an odd bunch, at times... do some loverly pics tho