No problem... just trying to be helpful. To your original question about these WIP posts, as a WIP poster on this forum myself, I've been wondering if the better place for these WIPS is the yahoo carrara-pics group rather than this forum. I kind of like them in this forum because you can get some discussion on techniques and, frankly, this forum could use a little more traffic to keep it interesting. But I do wonder if others feel they aren't appropriate here... Marc