But JohnRender, by your own statistics, less than 30% are unhappy with Poser 5 and two-thirds of the people who bought Poser 5 are happy with it. What I think is sad is that those who have purchased Poser 5, assuming they have purchased legal copies, and can't get it to work, don't seem get their money back or get any decent support from Curious Labs. Unless, of course, anyone here knows different....