Philc, I sort of guessed there wasn't an easy way to set joints. I appreciate the tip - moving outward from the hip seems more natural to me now that I think about it. I was looking on the modeling forum and there's a a link to tut anim8or or wings(one or the other) on using various programs including phi builder and uvmapper to make a gingerbread man that ends up I assume being posable in Poser. I'll have to paruse that tut a little more and see what I can learn from it. Thanks much! - TJ