I also wish there was a bit more for Judy and Don, but have pretty much made the transition to using the DAZ characters instead. Nor do I harbour any expectations about these characters being supported by DAZ or anyone else. CL has pretty much taken care of that with it's handling of P5. I am grateful that a few vendors are continuing to provide some product for P5. I'm especially fond of the material room. V3 is a bit much in P5, although you're quite right Anton, she does work. However, I only use her when she is the only character in the image. Multiples of her or her with other characters, for whatever reason, causes a real resource drag on my system. This does not happen with multiples of P5 characters or even V2 and Mike. Not sure why that is, but have learned to live with it. How is DAZ studio coming by the way?? Have not heard much lately.