um, Gabe? The perverts like myself that like to do explicit erotica, we didn't run to Poser Pros, we ran to Renderotica, long long long before Poser Pros was ever on the radar screen. I have been through two site closings of Renderotica and I'm still hanging in there, over there, posting my artwork there that cannot be posted here. I've done quite a few of these crotch shots... quite explicit work. I've even modeled a low poly vulva for a game. I've been told my labia are beautiful too... even considering recreating them as a model. Heh. Won't that be something. g I am actually quite proud of the genitalia I was born with! And its art when I portray it. I don't like obscenity, but I see that my yardstick for obscenity is a lot more liberal. And genital props can be used for porn. But porn can be art. In fact, quite beautiful art. One of my very favourite Poser artists of all time is an erotica artist going by the handle IlGeco, he posts at Renderotica. Porn doesn't have to be obscene. I prefer to call it erotica, as that's what I really do. I do take offence to people mischaracterising what I do as obscene, as it is NOT. However, Renderosity has rules governing what is allowed here on this site, and I follow them to the letter. I do not post sexually explicit art here. I'll repeat what I said over there, though. "Personally, I don't see why there's this us vs. them attitude anyway, I spend time happily participating at Renderosity, Renderotica, Commune, Gayposerart, and Poser Pros... and I'm very happy at all of these places." That means, I'll continue buying from you Gabe, right here at Renderosity. I'll continue buying from merchants at Poser Pros, too. And I'll continue buying from Renderotica, Daz, Commune... I have no beef with any of these places. I think its unhealthy to have one, too... And I will CONTINUE to be happy at all of these places I mentioned. I am just as happy at Renderosity as I am happy at Poser Pros. No need for stoking any site war flames. take care, Robin (aka bijou)