if you do your deep research ( like i did) you'll find out who help make don and judy, and who was part of the project of putting it together. i mean there isn't too many sites devoted to don and judy stuff.,, cause you sure as hell won't see nothing on DAZ pertaining to these models. they won't even sell there software. P4 is way better than P5 , ( i've seen P5, and i don't need more grey hair) annd i will AWALYS wait on DAZ, they take their time to please us with great quailty products and service. as for CL and there support team. welli was 44 when i asked a tech question about something, and i just turned 45 2 days ago, and finally got a runaround answer from them 2 days ago. i really think that CL has bitten off more than it can chew. meanwhile DAZ is working hard for us to bring us something new and different. something they know they want to be perfect. they don't wantthe same crap CL been getting this past year or so. so let them take thier time, do it right so we can all have a great product to play with. and then we can say, DAZ your the Best of the Best. the don and judy models.... such a joke like CL press announments.