Okay I was able to get infraview to convert to bmp but am not sure about renaming? Doesnt that just rename the file itself? Because thats what it did for me but the file ext was still bmp and not found. I will try loading poser not pro and see if that works. I tried to use wordpad but didn't know how to save it from there it was all done in html codes :0 Oh I am so lost lol but I do thank you all very much for your help. I will keep trecking away at it I'm sure to catch on sooner or later right? Thank you again I am going to try some more now :)