I believe that the nature of the tools are not nearly as important as how you use them and what you do with them. I guess one could look at it this way: The modelers and texture artists provide the rest of us with the raw materials, but what WE do with them and HOW we use them is something entirely our own. A scultor may not have forged the tools he used or created the stone he shaped but when faced with the final result, would any of that really matter? Then would "David" not be considered Michaelangelo's artwork because he didn't forge the chisel he used, or created the rock he shaped? As lmckenzie said: "Reductio ad absurdium" :-) I believe that if you gain pleasure from the process of creating something and the end result pleases you, then whatever everyone else says doesn't really matter--- but always be open to constructive criticism. ;-) If your work pleases other people, if it speaks to them, then that's just icing on the cake. YOU have to like what you're doing and that's what really counts. Create for YOURSELF first and don't worry about pleasing other people. nukem