this is really looking great Teyon I wonder if I might pick your brain? See, Eovia is working on a Pro version of amapi. This version has advanced NURBS editing in it..and, try as I may..I can not wrap my mind entirely on the process of NURBS modeling. Ive been nosing around the rhino forum at some of the tutorials there and the process you use to make the basic shape (like in the torso tutorial) is/was the method I am using, however I'm curious as to how blends between such parts as the arms, legs, eyesockets..etc are done "cleanly" with in a NURBS approach. I can do it with polys no problem..but when it comes to NURBS..well, thats a different story. I wonder if you'd post an image of this model in POLY..with closeups on the eyesockets (where it looks like you punched the mesh and created a new one.) and a closeup of the junction between the torso and the arms. :) tia BT