black hole sun..... a black hole which is a sun. hence the fact the planets are lit by it. actually they aren't the black hole is only a black coloured sphere. the actual light source is the sun which is behind it. oh bugger you've gone and made me spoil it now! anyway who said it was a picture in this universe? do i need to whip out the ol' p-branes? John PS: er... bugger.... i was once told if you could see all the stars light AT THE SAME TIME the night sky would be as bright as day..... hmmm........