i'm laughing like mad at jarm's comment... too funny... and Ajax, you've a good eye, though she/he/it makes me wanna say: feed me, Seymore!! what i'm really really digging is that pod thing waaaay yonder in the back there [points] -------> o'er there on that side... yea, right there... that is so bloody cool... davo, are the rendered ads for this on your site broken down into bits so i'll be able to get a better view as to what that pod thing is all about? if not, anyway i could talk you into doing a solo render of it and plunking it down in this thread?? pretty please???