thanks guys--- i dont HATE lightwave or maya, or 3ds or anything, it just gets on my nerves when you see ppl who have spent alot of money and time to learn these programs, but produce things ive seen rudy, alvin, stefano, and countless others produce far better, THEN they go around shunning bryce simply cuz its bryce. its 3d racism i tell you! pS, i know this is an old issue, but its jst now REALLY getting to me. anywayz sorry jst woke up:)