Depends on much cash you have... Most of the images in the gallery are done with A Daz3d charcter called Victoria (currently V3) she'll set you back a bit for all the bells and whistles. So if you've not got much cash buy P4 and Vicky + stuff. If money is no object, buy P5, (or P4 +Propack) and Vicky + Stuff. If you're coming at it clean P5 has more rendering bells and whitles, but it's a steep learing curve. P4 however is simplicity itself for 75% of the time. If you just want to render naked chicks I'd get P4... :P later jb