Actually the works of David Ho is what drew me to useing Poser. About a year and a half ago,I saw a sampleing of his work in one of those CG art type magazines(which blew me away),and they listed "softwear used". And yes,useing either Bryce or Vue is going to do a much better job at creating virutal scenes/enviroments than Poser.I have them both,and while you can get great results from either...it is much easier to bring Poser people/scences into Vue,than it is with Bryce. One big drawback with Vue or Bryce,is if you are like me and you work with large file sizes(for print,not web use),your render times will be in hours not min.For that reason,I tend to use manipulated photos more often for the enviroment. SWAMP