I agree only partially with you, Dash my friend. It's true that Bryce has obvious limitations, and now that I'm tweaking with Cinema4D I sure agree that the render engine is fantastic and the modelling is easy as honey, but... ... but I still have to see in other galleries the quality of the renders that you find every day in the Bryce gallery here. I'm talking average, mind me. And I'm talking about stills, I know that the animation capabilities of Maya, 3dsmax and the likes are not comparable to Bryce. Personally, I don't care much about animation, but it's me. But the fact remains. A couple of msg above, Ornlu said: "I tried maya learning edition and in my eyes, it's overly complicated, and doesn't let the user bring his or her vision to life as bryce does" and, having tried almost any high-end demo out there, I couldn't agree more with him. I'll be glad to hear your opinion. Ah, sorry, forgot to flame you... maybe next time :-) S.