lol.. well i will accept that as sarcasm. anyways yeah it looks like the P4 textures could be the culprit so looks like someone may know what they were talking about. so now how do I fix this bug? PS i only tested one model let me trash max with a few more detailed models first before we can say for sure. but i made 2 Identical models one with the P4 Women texture and one without and when i loaded the model with no texture and ran the play button in maxs animat mode in full tracking mode nothing happened but when i loaded the one with a texture as soon as full tracking was on and i played the sequence it just shut down. so let me try others.. ill get back ot you guys