grins great, so i can actually use these then...tried that and it works...grins... lol then each time i want to use them, i have to reimport? or will a simple file name conversion do the trick to be able to import into the program for easier access? like converting the .obj to .obp then importing through the create editor import option? thinking if that works, would a 3ds convert that easily to a .obp too....hmmmm lol will take one and play with it and see what happens...lol JenC