ok, lol, neither works as a valid file format that way...although i didn't get any warnings about the file extension conversion, B5 just won't recognize it by importing it into the User folder of the create box....lol well, that question is answered....hahahaha thanks soooo much for your help Innovator. grins i looked up soo many tutorial sites to see if those files were recognized, and none said anything about it being version specific, but i found alot of tutorial sites stopped at 4.. Jen C