(Sorry Stewer, I sometime confuse Flash with Shockwave3D, since they are both Macromedia products However, I use SWISH for my website work, with some of the SWF output from Pro-Pack, but that's O.T.) But what has me really intrigued about this cel shading idea is that I remember when Allerluiah (or however her name was spelled) produced the first transmapped hair for Poser, and it blew everyone's socks off. Koz developed this into a tutorial and a great line of free transmapped hair- BUT, my point is- Poser ALREADY could do this, and it only took someone to show HOW it could be done, borrowing basically I'm sure from knowledge gained from using 3DStudio or Lightwave. It seems to me high quality Cel Shade art and animation is entirely possible in Poser, since we are already half the way there now with Z-Axis rendering. Isn't the other half basically the correct assignment of material settings?